Penn and Teller - Gun Control and Columbine

trmentry říká:

Aug 29, 2010 - @runningmoose69 um.. actually the US constitution is fairly old compared to other constitutions of other countries. Most EU countries have had new constitutions in the re-written in the last 100 years.

reapfreak říká:

Aug 30, 2010 - I think it is pointless to throw out all the facts that show gun ownership is a positive for society, it's a simple answer. Either you believe it is a moral right to defend your life or you don't, it's that simple.

runningmoose69 říká:

Aug 30, 2010 - @trmentry Yea the constitution is old and needs remodling, but the country itself is very young and powerful which is dangerous. I am american and i can say we are very ignorant.

stedav říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @rozlow Of course there still will be black market guns, there are enough fuckheads in the world to peddle them. However banning gun ownership in general will make if far less possible for the average gun-nut or pistol toter to get there hands on one. Gun freaks and other numpties would probably think twice about buying from a big Russian Mafia type fuckhead, rather than there friendly local gun store.

stedav říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @evillutionskate If you interpret the argument, to that extreme of course the argument seems unrealistic. However, can you tell me the number of murders were committed by Forks, and Physicians last year in the USA. For your information Accidental Death is not the Same as Murder. Death by car is usually because of the way it was Driven, cars as I am aware are not designed to kill, whereas Guns are!

stedav říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @reapfreak A moral right to defend ones self doesn't exactly preclude the right to own an arsenal. There is a difference between an unstable troubled person being able to own a revolver, and an M16!

stedav říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @reapfreak A moral right to defend ones self doesn't exactly include the right to own an arsenal. There is a difference between an unstable troubled person being able to own a revolver, and an M16!

stedav říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @freedomnow29 Well you should open your eyes and ears a bit more to the world beyond the USA!

evillutionskate říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @stedav You said less ability for misuse, I assumed you were talking about accidents, not murder. But do you really think you're going to stop criminals with a piece of paper? Do you really think murderer's guns are going to spontaneously melt when the governor signs the gun control bill? No, all your going to do is take guns out of the hands of people who follow the law anyways. And seeing as 80%+ of all murderers had a criminal record beforehand... Just looks a Washington DC. That's it.

reapfreak říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @stedav I get ya, i just don't see why you don't just avoid them. Keep them off your property, and avoid locations they may be at. Heck, you can even try and convince other property owners to not allow firarms on their location. The only possible argument involves public property, and even then I have to lean towards freedom. Being afraid of someone is not the same as them threatening you with physical harm, and just walking around with a gun is not a threat.

Cajaquarius říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @janelasdedeus Well, that is certainly one hypothesis. The others are they fear tyrannical control by the government, the valid worry that guns will simply become black market items like alcohol during the prohibition, etc.

Cajaquarius říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @stedav Well, the obvious question here is why do you care? You are from Finland (but I suppose you could be in the US on a VISA or something). If what I wrote in the parenthesis is not the case, though, then why is gun control in a country you don't live in so important to you? That answered, let's assume that Stedav is now King of the USA and can implement any laws as he sees fit. What steps will you take to outlaw and remove the danger of guns? Please feel free to give me a detailed response.

Cajaquarius říká:

Aug 31, 2010 - @LookItsColette I think a better question that rarely gets answered is why do you want to get rid of guns and ban them? Other than for reducing crime which, ironically, is also total bullshit.

glockster4freedom říká:

Sep 1, 2010 - @stedav You really need to come back to reality.

freedomnow29 říká:

Sep 1, 2010 - @stedav Australia? Look at how the crime rate went up when they placed gun control laws. Albertville, Jan molenar, yea I think you get my point.

stedav říká:

Sep 1, 2010 - @freedomnow29 What point, the barrel of a gun? because those events prove nothing about the issue of gun ownership, both quantitatively and what kind os weapons individuals ned to own. Face it Gun Nuts just get kicks from owning things built to Kill, its not about rights, its about mental state.

freedomnow29 říká:

Sep 2, 2010 - @stedav So you're basically ignoring the very fact that by wanting the right to defend yourself makes you a gun nut, and also ignoring the fact that guns don't cause crime people do.

RobNunchucks říká:

Sep 3, 2010 - Still Here in the UK and many places in Europe we have strict gun control and our gun deaths are a tiny fraction of what you have in the US so it can work. All though given the US's love of guns and the large amount of weapons already in circulation changes things. And for all those people saying guns don't cause crime people do the difference is here people get into fights someone gets the shit kicked out of them and limps home. In the US the same situation results in someone getting shot.

RobNunchucks říká:

Sep 3, 2010 - @evillutionskate "Less nukes less ability for misuse" Do you now see how stupid that argument is all were doing is pushing the WMD trade underground for the criminals to get richer off. Private citizens should have the right to own weapons of mass destruction the constitution said bare arms not just guns.

TheCommentifyer říká:

Sep 3, 2010 - @RobNunchucks Banning nuclear weapons in our own country would be stupid as shit too. You want to know why? It doesn't stop assholes like North Korea from having them.

evillutionskate říká:

Sep 3, 2010 - @RobNunchucks Are you fucking serious? You're not being sarcastic? Holy shit.. One nuke can kill millions. NOBODY should have one, it's a purely offensive weapon, no defensive capability. Criminals aren't trading nukes or using them to mug people. I can't defend my home or family with a nuke. That's got to be the stupidest argument I've ever heard, if you're being serious. I can't tell. Nah, you've got to be trolling.

LaughingMage říká:

Sep 4, 2010 - @evillutionskate Sounds like a troll, my friend. Or sarcasm Explosives of any kind cannot be used for defence. Only terrorism.

LaughingMage říká:

Sep 4, 2010 - @stedav It's not about mental state, it's about logical thinking.

serioushamster říká:

Sep 4, 2010 - @RobNunchucks yeah you dont, you guys just stab each other a lot

serioushamster říká:

Sep 4, 2010 - Admiral Yamoto of japan was once asked how big of a force he needed to occupy the united states,the admiral responded by saying it was impossible to occupy the united states why because he said there would be a gun behind every blade of grass in short guns are good